♪>>Katie: 2020 DEMOCRATIC FRONT RUNNER JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN UNDER FIRE FOR A STRING OF GAFFES MADE ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. MOST RECENTLY RECEIVING HEAVY CRITICISM AFTER FAILING TO ACCURATELY TELL A STORY ABOUT HIS ENCOUNTER WITH A WAR HERO. NOW, THE FORMER VEEP IS ON THE DEFENSE.>>THE DETAILS ARE IRRELEVANT IN TERMS OF DECISION-MAKING AND SO THE FACT THAT I WOULD FORGET THAT IT WAS RODRIGUEZ WHO WAS PINNING — I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CASE — PINNING A BRONZE STAR ON A YOUNG MAN WAS — IT’S I. TO THE POINT. I. — IRRELEVANT TO THE POINT. LIKE SAYING I HAD THIS VERY BRIGHT REPORTER, I THINK HER EYES WERE BLUE. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF YOU ARE A BRIGHT REPORTER YOUR EYES ARE BROWN. IT’S IRRELEVANT AND YOU KNOW IT.>>Katie: DANA, WINNING OR LOSING? DETAILS MATTER IF YOU ARE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT?>>Dana: IT’S A LONG TIME. IF YOU ARE JOE BIDEN THAT’S A LONG TIME TO BE THE FRONTRUNNER. TO BE HANGING ON AS THE FRONT UNER 18 MONTHS. NOBODY CAN LAY A GLOVE ON HIM REALLY SO FAR IN THE POLLS. HE HAS BEEN ABLE TO.>>Brian: HE KEEPS LAYING GLOVES ON HIMSELF.>>Dana: BERNIE SANDERS LITERALLY DID THAT LAST WEEK.>>Brian: THAT’S TRUE.>>Dana: INTERESTING THING IS NOT THE GAFFE PEOPLE WHO LIKE JOE BIDEN DON’T CARE. THEY THINK THIS IS RIDICULOUS. WHAT BIDEN DID THERE A LITTLE BIT HE WALKED RIGHT UP TO THE LINE OF CALLING IT FAKE NEWS AND PUSHING BACK ON THE MEDIA COVERAGE. I’M SURE IS HE FRUSTRATED WITH THE MEDIA. BIG PIECE IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES” YESTERDAY OR SUNDAY BY MARK LEASH VERY MUCH AND ASKING HIM WHAT IS YOUR RATIONALE TO BE PRESIDENT? REALLY IT’S NOT SHARP IT’S NOT THERE. WELL, SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO BEAT TRUMP. AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS WHO LOVE HIM ARE GOING TO STICK WITH HIM. THAT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE SOLID. THAT’S NOT GOING TO END. AND YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THE BERNIE SANDERS AND ELIZABETH WARREN REPORTERS ARE LIKE WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? ELIZABETH WARREN IS POLLING AT 1% WITH AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS. THERE IS A BIG RECKONING TO COME. I DON’T THINK IT WILL COME FOR A FEW MONTHS. THE FACT THAT HE CAN’T ACTUALLY NAIL DOWN HIS ANSWER FOR WHY HE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT EXCEPT FOR SOMEBODY HAS TO BEAT TRUMP THAT DOESN’T FEEL LIKE IT’S GOOD ENOUGH TO ME.>>Brian: I WILL BUILD ON WHAT YOU SAID, DANA. HE WENT ON TO SAY IF ROMNEY WAS RUNNING OR JEB WAS PRESIDENT HE MIGHT NOT RUN. SO, THEN HE SAID I’M THE ONLY ONE ELECTABLE. I’M DOING IF FOR THE PARTY. BARACK OBAMA SAID YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO. THIS TODAY HE SAID I THINK 8 OR 10 OF THE OTHER DEMOCRATS COULD BEAT TRUMP. HE JUST UNDID HIS OWN ARGUMENT. WHAT I THINK IS MOST DAMNING TWO THINGS. HE WAS IN CHARGE OF PAYING OUT THE STIMULUS PACKAGE AND IN CHARGE OF THE PULLOUT OF IRAQ. IF YOU READ MATTIS’ BOOK TODAY HE TALKS ABOUT INTERACTING WITH BIDEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN THE PROBLEMS IF YOU PULL OUT THE WAY HE WANTS TO AND ALLOW MALIKI TO STEAL THAT ELECTION AND HE BASICALLY GAVE HIM LIP SERVICE AND DID IT ANYWAY AND WE KNOW WE GOT ISIS IN RETURN. THAT’S WHAT A PRESIDENT BIDEN WOULD DO.>>Jesse: I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD ON THAT AS WELL, BRIAN. HE GETS THE DETAILS WRONG AND THE DECISIONS WRONG. GATES SAID JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN WRONG ON EVERY SINGLE FOREIGN POLICY DECISION IN THE LAST 40 YEARS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, HE WAS AGAINST REAGAN’S PUSH AGAINST THE SOVIETS DURING THE COLD WAR. HE WAS AGAINST DESSERT STORM. HE WAS AGAINST THE SURGE. HE WAS AGAINST THE BIN LADEN RAID. HE WAS FOR REGIME CHANGE IN LIBYA. FOR NAFTA. YOU COULD ADD ALL THESE THINGS UP. WHEN YOU COMBINE THE GAFFES, THE POOR DECISIONS, THE AGE AND SLEEPINESS ON THE TRAIL, IT IS A VERY NASTY MIX OF NEGATIVES THAT IS GOING TO DRAG HIM DOWN. THE ONLY REASON IS HE UP RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE WARREN AND SANDERS ARE SPLITTING THE LEFT WING VOTE AND HE HAS GREAT NAME I.D. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK HE IS THE WEAKEST FRONTRUNNER I HAVE EVER SEEN AND HE MIGHT LOSE IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE AND THAT LEAVES HIM WITH THE.>>Brian: SOUTH CAROLINA.>>Jesse: LEAVES HIM WITH WHOSE STRATEGY WAS THAT RUDY’S WE ALL KNOW WHO THAT WAS.>>Dana: HIS WAS FLORIDA GERALDO GERALDO I THINK YOU ARE BEING KIND IN THE BIOLOGY OF IT. HE IS ONLY NINE MONTHS OLDER THAN I AM.>>Dana: JOE BIDEN? GERALDO GERALDO JOE BIDEN.>>Katie: HOW CAN I TELL?>>Geraldo: IT’S THE HAIR. WHEN HE MISSES THE BEAT, IT REALLY SEEMS ORGANIC TO ME. IT DOESN’T SEEM LIKE HE IS GOING TO GET SHARPER GOING FORWARD. HE DOESN’T SEEM TO ME THAT THIS IS JUST THE WARMING UP, THAT HE IS GOING TO GET IN THERE AND HE IS GOING TO BE MORE ARTICULATE AND MORE COMPETENT THAN HIS PRESENTATION. NOR ELOQUENT. MORE PRESIDENTIAL IN A SENSE. HE SEEMS TENTATIVE TO ME. AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE AROUND HIM LIKE THEY HOPE HE DOESN’T BREAK, YOU KNOW. AND.>>Brian: TRUMP WANTS TO MAKE SURE HE DOESN’T BREAK. I THINK TRUMP WANTS HIM TO BE HIS OPPONENT.>>Katie: BRIAN, THE ARGUMENT WITH JOE BIDEN BEING THE FRONTRUNNER IS THAT HE IS STRONG HE IS THE ONE WHO HAS THIS IN THE BAG. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO GOING AGAINST THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN JUGGERNAUT AND JOE BIDEN CLEARLY NOT REALLY WANTING IT CONSIDERING THAT HE IS SAYING THAT HE MAYBE WOULDN’T BE IN IT IF IT WASN’T PRESIDENT TRUMP. HIS WIFE HAVING A HARD TIME SELLING HIS PLAN SAYING, YOU KNOW, HIS PLAN MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST ONE. HE MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST CANDIDATE BUT YOU SHOULD ELECT HIM TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP, IS HE REALLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP IT COMES TO TAKING CAMPAIGN OFF OF HIS SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW WHEN HE IS NOT IN A HARD BATTLE FOR THE FRONT RIGHT NOW.>>Brian: WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK’S DEBATE. EVERY TIME HE GOES INTO DEBATE IN A NON-SCRIPTED SITUATION. IT’S A CARNIVAL OF FAUX PASS. WE CAN’T WAIT TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.>>Dana: ALSO SEE IF ONE OF THE OPPONENTS GOES AFTER HIM. IT’S NOT GOING TO BE BECAUSE HE IS A GAFFE MACHINE. IT WILL BE BECAUSE OF SOMETHING LIKE HIS COZINESS WITH THE CREDIT CARD INDUSTRY. GERALDO GERALDO IF HE LOSES NEW HAMPSHIRE AND IOWA, WHAT HAPPENS?>>Katie: THAT’S THE QUESTION? IS HE GOING TO LOSE THE MOMENTUM AT THE FRONT.