I don’t want to go too into detail. But like I Hate it. I’m like learning from this this guy I don’t even know like I met him through BGA and I’m like, why are you telling me what to do man? I think that’s what having a kid does. It really makes you think about? Who you are? I’ve been ready. Are you sure right? I’m not ready Welcome back to another episode of off the pill podcast. I I thought you were going to do the intro song. No, you said you didn’t want to use that intro song With that being said, we have Mr. Justin Chon in the house! BGA! BGA! BGA! BGA! You know in the first song that was just there’s that I mean you guys aren’t even on it But like it’s just me and David in the background here BGA chanting. It’s just me and David, haha We did like 50 times to try to get different times all across, you know, we don’t have real fans doing that for us dude one day We’ll bring you back. I didn’t an intro Paco is also in the thing There you go. Yeah, that’s the perfect sound for you. Yeah, I got it. Um, yeah, I went all out of order you know, why because we are back in Vegas and it is um We haven’t done a podcast here in like three episodes, but we are back because Justin is in town. I’m here How’s it going, man? It’s going good. It’s been a while since you’ve been out here, too And yeah it last time was the last fight you came here. The last game was for what or which fight? All right A conor mcgregor’s might have been it might may weather gregory was it was that fight? Was that fight remember feeling really? Sort of like disappointed. Mmm. Anyways, you look like you’re from the 90s with that hat on. Thank you I appreciate that. You look like a custodian from the night. I know with that haircut answer, you know, I’m trying guys. Look I’m going for You want to explain because I don’t know people couldn’t I don’t know if people know or not, but you’re hella buff right now Uh-huh, and you’re doing you said you’re doing it for a role? Yeah. I’m about to the you talk about yeah, yeah Yeah, I’m playing I’m gonna be playing a korean-american adoptee that’s getting deported Korean-american adoptee that’s getting deported and he lives in the south. This is the film that you wrote and you’re directing. Yeah Ending your action acting and you were working with the studio a big studio. Yeah about who you’re working with. Yeah, I mean the main the main studio is macro There’s a co-financed here for the film but macro made. Sorry to bother you mud bound they made two of Denzel Washington’s films fences and Roman Esquire they made Yeah, you know they made they They made up this film called the land. You know, they do a lot of like super, you know, ethnic driven Films, so they’re like a good partner for this. But yeah, it’s about like, you know With like deportation and stuff these days you know, we have the dreamers and daca but like Part of it that people aren’t talking about is people who were adopted here internationally from like the 70s and 80s are Getting deported people who are adopted here by why you what do you mean by US citizens? So you adopted meaning like they flew them like ship them over Yeah, like you know when you adopt baby from Africa or China or Korea? Oh, I don’t know about that I mean I know people do it, but ya know see do you know any like real? House aren’t illegal at that point as I’m saying that’s why it’s really messed up you say that is hat So there you go, but they’re getting deported Well, yeah, what’s happening? Is that that that they get brought to this country? You know and this is there’s a child Citizenship Act of 2000 So anyone adopted after that gets automatically granted citizenship, huh? But anyone before that is detected so if they got adopted here and the parents didn’t file like the proper paperwork. Yeah Now like with the current administration himself ice is so aggressive that they are using loopholes to deport people like that have no connection to Their homeland and like, you know, they were like brought here as kids and you know International Adoption a lot of money is exchanged and right It’s uh, it’s it’s really bad. It’s really sad, dude. That’s hella sad. Yeah, what year was this after their? Okay, after 2000 I think is when when they you bring so a baby from a different country They’re protected, but anyone before which is just a stupid loophole. Yeah. Yeah, so like, you know People from as your movie is about though, yeah. Well it’s about a guy who is dealing with that and He’s uh, you know korean-american in and grew up in in the south And Yeah, so like, you know, he’s just trying to get us left He’s starting to like really get his life together and then bad stuff happens it and then he has to deal with The possibility of getting deported. Okay. Well, I mean just going back because I didn’t really for people who don’t know who you are Justin, chon is an actor You’ve probably seen him in stuff a bunch of things you’ve been acting for I don’t know how long for like 18 years 19 18 years and I mean, he’s you’re not really acting as much you’re doing more like directing and stuff But you were in like a ton of show like yeah, I remember you from the Nickelodeon show It was that just Jordan Jordan is just Jordan is just Jordan That part now is that was like the theme song in the beginning. I mean, I wasn’t a big fan of Remember I agen dude on it I feel like I feel like you know, you know your audience that’s listening right now like the age range they probably watch Oh, they’re actually older than really I mean, yeah, cuz it’s podcast. So yeah people don’t really care. Yeah, I While you were in Twilight was in Twilight all of them, right? Yeah Yeah, but I’m like a very small part of it. I’m just yeah, you’re a human dude. So is Anna Kendrick? Yeah, we’re in 21 21 and over and over not 21. Not the card movie. Yeah. Oh yay 21 and over Yeah, wait miles miles teller and Skylar Astin Here in a bunch of stuff man. Yeah I mean like I said you were in things that I Just remember because you’re there wasn’t many Asian people around and you were just like Oh Asian do it on Nickelodeon That’s pretty cool and then obviously Twilight right, but I know you know, that was fun, wasn’t it? crazy all the people who would played those like Like like eight like the human rolls kind of blew up right? Well Anna Anna Kendrick’s huge. Yeah But yeah, like when you go back and watching, you know like Dan that is such a can’t believe she played that insignificant role. Yeah Talk about Twilight and how when you told me about it. Ah, how you thought oh my god this film Well, I don’t know if you want to say what you want to say. Oh, no, I think we could talk about it now I mean I talk about it then because I think people would really want to know but First let me let me so let me explain something is When I was gonna do Twilight I was just getting off of like like children’s television like Nickelodeon and doing a bunch of stuff for Disney and stuff You know and I I always wanted to be like an Asian Sean Penn, you know, I wanted to be a serious actor So I was planning to really stay away from anything That’s kind of like, you know, I wanted to try to find serious roles you do some indie films that are and then my agent called me and Said there’s this movie and it’s and I think you should go out for it’s about it’s about a family of vampires And I hose like hell, no, can you cuss on this? Yeah, you can guess I was just like fuck. No, man I don’t want to go for that And he was like Well, dude, like you don’t have a job You should probably like there’s not a lot of options for you cuz you know at that time, you know It wasn’t as open as it is now. Yeah, so a ginger. Yeah, so like the roles are limited. So I was just like, okay well, who’s uh, who’s Directing it and she he was like Catherine Hardwicke I was like, oh and she did a movie called thirteen and Lords of Dogtown that I was loved resume. Yeah She she did like indie films I really loved and then I was like well who’s a main star like it’s in he was like Well, this girl named Kristen Stewart. I was like, oh because I had seen a film called into the wild yeah, and she has a pardon that she’s just so amazing in it and I was like I would love to work with her and then and uh and that’s why I auditioned and and I auditioned like I don’t know six seven times and What I mean because it was yeah because it was during the writers strike Yeah, so they couldn’t rewrite stuff like so we had to do a lot of improv so you go in and and because they couldn’t write new stuff we had to go and and improvise a lot of scenes with the other sort of potential cast members and Then uh, yeah, I showed up I was like, okay. Well, I’m really excited to work with these people, but the film itself I don’t give a fuck, you know, like it’s like, you know, um, and you know, like the books it’s based off books and stuff, but You know, I was really excited to work with the people involved But like the actual story I was like well, you know It’s it’s just an opportunity and right and and but the other thing is it’s I don’t think they wanted me Oh really? Cuz I was Asian I think Catherine Erik your key, right? Yeah, is that isn’t that well? I don’t know. Is that a asian character in the book? no, but they don’t specify his ethnicity just that he has black hair and Like I think like nasty pimply scan or something. I don’t know But uh, but um Catherine I think came out recently saying like she had a prob she had problems casting minorities yeah, but yeah, I don’t think they really wanted me because you know was Washington forks, Washington, they didn’t feel like But uh there yeah so catherine fought for me and that I am proud of, you know, anytime I can get rolled It isn’t meant for me. I Was really proud of that So, um, but you know and and the fact that I’m the only Asian in that entire series is is pretty cool Yeah, like it’s like another fun fact is like that For those people who don’t know you actually did YouTube I did Yeah, I did because um because of you guys hmm. He’s you and Kevin you did it a lot I mean they consistently you were consistent for a little bit. I did it for like a like a maybe like half a year Yeah, your intro is I love doing thanks. But um It’s I think he would understand How hard work it is? How much right how much hard work and I was like dude, this is like from not for me Hard work hard work Your other it’s a real career it’s real it’s its own career and like I can’t do it part-time Yeah, I thought I can maybe like just kind of do it like when I have free time But it’s not the case like it has to be a full-time game, you know And I was just too busy like acting and and doing other stuff and just way bigger things. No no, it’s not that like I know like YouTube is even bigger than like, I think if you’re on a network television show, uh-huh, no one knows who you are Yeah Right, like I was just on a show for ABC Nobody has ever Recognized me from that like no one’s ever said Oh, yeah, you’re that guy for that ABC show, but like people recognize me from your YouTube videos Yeah, yeah well, I think it depends on like the size of what your project right cuz you were in I mean like people obviously Don’t you from Twilight because the fan base was so big. Yeah, right Once you talk about how you turn down pitch perfect Yeah go and this is all interesting yeah This is all things that I have never talked about I know that’s all yeah, and I think it’s so interesting Yeah, because it’s an inside world too. Like a star’s life. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it’s not a start Yeah, I mean so it’s to a certain degree. Yeah but uh Yeah, I had just finished shooting 21 and over and skylar astin was in 21 and over with me and We both got cast in pitch perfect so I went straight over from from Seattle to I think it was Baton Rouge or Shreveport Louisiana so I went from one hotel to another and I was like man, I just I wasn’t um You know, I thought I wanted to do it and I showed up and and you know and I was there who’s who’s you know, I love and and Nona for a long time so like I I was really stoked and then but then um you know we uh Got there, and I was I saw the reality of what it was what it was. It’s like a musical. Mm-hmm and you didn’t want to do it and I was just like what you sing to like what so like So like yeah, the audition was like you had to sing a song and and whatever and and you know I sent a tape in and and I also do think that Skylar put in a good word because he got cast as lead he’s like hey you need to cast this guy so I showed up and then so weird then I myself in like dance rehearsal for like 80 hours a day and then we and then we were also doing like singing rehearsal and like and I was just sitting there like in and we’re sitting in like a circle we’re all picking out parts and I was just trying to do like a falsetto and I was like dude, this is not I Feel like a phony. I just don’t feel like I belong here Cuz Han because what you didn’t feel feel like your vocals are on point with them or like why like, yeah I just I just didn’t like it. Yeah, and I just felt like really kind of stupid Personal experience is like, you know and every day at the end of the day we would kind of show the director the choreography and stuff and You got to get in it. You gotta be like beginning like doing the whole dance I gotta commit because you guys someone’s not committed to me and and you know I think I also talked about I get I I know I could talk about this but like because we’ve hashed it out Personally is there’s an actor named Okarche and he’s uh, he’s in everything now He’s he’s gonna be in Britney runs a marathon. He’s he would paid Mindy Kaling’s younger brother in the Mindy project He’s in Mulan. He’s he’s in Like a film with Ryan Reynolds right now. He’s a huge Indian American actor, okay and I didn’t like him and like we we got we were at it like me and him were like and he was like Anyway, like I don’t wanna go ten guys in pitch perfect. Yeah, he’s in pitch. Perfect. He plays the riding That guy and me and him didn’t get long. Yeah, you know, I don’t want to go too into detail. But like I Hated him right and he I don’t think he liked me either and that was another reason I was like dude and it just like as a week went by I was like I don’t I want to get out I don’t I don’t want to do this and also like 21 and over was talking about doing a reshoot in China Because they got some Chinese money so we had to shoot part of the movie in China Yeah, and and then also keV wanted me to do some stupid movie with him Yeah, and I was like Which is probably the dumbest thing I ever did is I gave up pitch-perfect To go do Kevin G YouTube movie. That’s that’s friendship though. That’s not very well. That’s pretty loyal perfectness And you knew I mean it was you had a big budget. I mean, yeah, I knew it was gonna be Yeah, and I in its music and stuff and it’s entertaining. I knew it was gonna be good It’s just at that time and sometimes in life you have to do what’s best for your soul. Not for your bank account Yeah, damn that’s deep. So yeah, so I was just like you know what? I’d rather go chill in Hawaii. And and and I’m glad I did I mean it changed my life, you know, like Spent that much time in Hawaii and and Hawaii’s like a second home to me. So like I’m glad I did that but like you know, um Also, you know I like I was like, so just partied out I was drinking so much and all that stuff and I was just like I was just kind of done and and Hawaii I was like a little bit relaxing and and then I had to I went from like being in a hotel and to sharing a bed with Kevin in like An apartment in Hawaii KevJumba for people who don’t yeah I was yummy were you shooting hang loose? Mmm? Okay with Dante, right? Yeah. Yeah. I love Dante Basco, you know Rufio but yeah, you know since then, you know like if I could just indulge you guys in the conflict between me Okarche, we test it for a a NBC show For a TV show. We you go what happens you have to go test for a show like for like the the executives and and so I Made it to the final round and then I was just waiting in the room to go test and then the elevator opens and it was a car SH and We hadn’t seen each other since pitch-perfect in the elevator open and he looked at me He’s like, ah fuck and I was like, I was like what the fuck and I just like turn This like and then and then we were just like, you know You have to test a few times yet to test network in the studio And then by the the same third day like a conscious I can I talk to you I was like, yeah cool, man and we went into like an empty room while we’re waiting to like going to audition and He’s like man and I will give it to him like use the bigger man. He like apologized first and and We pieced it out and maybe you hate him so much. Like why did you guys hate each other? So I don’t know man I just like I mean, we’re both different people ya know and I can’t like speak on his behalf because it’s you know I I know what’s going on in his life. But like I was just I was also a different person Yeah, and I you know, I just we just didn’t get along, you know sometimes you know when you meet somebody for the first time they rub you the wrong way and you you just Yeah, you just don’t vibe with somebody I feel like And here’s the thing is sometimes you don’t vibe because actually you’re a lot more similar than you’d like to admit Mm-hmm you know and you see I think you see parts of yourself in somebody that you don’t like but you’re actually like you’re actually like hating on yourself, but then you eats your insecurities that make you kind of Hone in on that and start to like, you know, let it bother you but but I don’t know a car she’s a sweetheart he’s a really amazing guy and And yeah, we’re totally cool now and we’ve we’ve hung out a bunch of time since then so like You know, I think sometimes that kind of conflict helps you Actually become closer. I don’t know that’s I mean you want to talk about pitch. Perfect. This stuff is like Opie We’re gonna clip it and just send it you like these different actors Okay, well I mean I did want to because I think that’s interesting and yeah super It’s an inside look that a lot of people don’t get to see definitely Yeah, um, but yeah I mean now you’re doing like I said you were did acting for I don’t know how long I mean you’re still acting but really your claim to fame currently is you’re directing because you’ve been directing films and writing them and recently, you’ve had two films make it into Sundance back-to-back your last two films both made it into Sundance and one and One of them won an award. Yeah. Yeah, right. That’s huge I don’t know people know that but getting into Sundance is like super prestigious and it’s it’s, you know named some other movies that Frio station the drumming one replies flash You know really tough to get into Sundance and your last two in a row with it you directly got in there so right now you’re kind of like a I mean you’re kind of like Like Cott right now in that world directing inde sort of like anyway, did you also write those as well? I really you you wrote direct acted and acted in in the first movie GU Yeah, and then I wasn’t in that my most recent film is purple. Mm-hmm So what’s wrong with that when right now miss purple, so I went to Sundance with that this January and It comes on theatres September 6 in LA at the Newark in Santa Monica and then and then it’ll expand in New York in two landmark theaters and then and then um, After that, it’ll expand to most major cities, you know, um, I think it’s gonna be through Landmark Theaters but yeah, you know it’s about a strange brother and sister who grew up in like a gentrifying Koreatown in Los Angeles and and Their Dad is is close to passing away. He’s he’s terminally ill and and the daughter has stuck around to care for him and They’re live in hospice nurse quits So she’s forced to have to contact her brother who and begs him to help Help him help her take care of him Because she has to make money and work and pay for stuff and what she does what she does for work is she’s a karaoke hostess and You know if you’re from LA or you’re Korean, you might be familiar with like the told me culture It’s like, you know, you go to Kurt, you know, karaoke room and girls come in. They’re like kind of like Hostesses and they come and hang out with guides for money So it kind of explores that world in a way but but it’s really about a Brother and sisters relationship. I have a younger sister and our our relationship has been pretty complicated over the years and you know I’m dealing with our parents and and kind of divvying up Responsibilities and I think the the brother-sister relationship Specifically is pretty Particular because it’s like one’s a guy and what’s a girl and and I haven’t seen that really sort of explored in film You know, there’s only a few films that That talk about I mean like, you know, you can count on the savages Skeleton twins, but that’s about it. You know, I mean, I feel like age of 17 kind of touched on it because like you know the you know, the girl is dealing with all this stuff and then you find out the brother you Know there was all these stuff that he was holding him. But like it wasn’t like a main sort of thing This is like the main meal is like their relationship but it’s also empower empowering story like she she needs to I think she lives in a very lonely solitude existence of a world and Part of her journey is to understand that there’s a world outside of hers and that’s why there was a Chicano whole Chicano storyline that weaves through the story and and Things that kind of bring her out of her comfort zone and by the end You know, I think she starts to realize and learn How maybe she can live a healthier life but when this is come out, this comes out September 16 Ola in November 6 in LA and then New York, you said New York the next weekend And then other it’ll be in San Francisco Seattle. Like it’ll be in most major cities. Ok. Yeah, it’s called miss purple yeah, and I was curious as to a your writing process and how you get into that because the whole Brother-sister relationship like you’re obviously drawing from that experience. And uh, maybe like with Kuk and stuff if you want to talk about that because uh It shows like different ingress Intricacies, I think it was during the the riots, right? Yeah. It’s takes place during that 90 to LA riots Yeah, and then your next one is with kind of like deportation, and I’m not sure if you have any actual Experience with it, but maybe like you can kind of take us through this story of all three. Yeah well, you know, I think I have a there’s a reason or purpose for the art that I make I Mean, I feel like most people on the internet know me to be an idiot, but I think it is it you know as a filmmaker, I I I my purpose really solely is to There’s a few thing actually the first and foremost is I am trying to bring empathy to our community as Asian Americans So like if somebody that’s outside of our community watches a film they maybe understand how we operator or can Can empathize for us a little bit more? so that’s a first criteria second criteria is you know, we have crazy rich Asians black panther and and all these sort of uh, you know miss Bala these films that are strictly you know cast and include people of that ethnicity, which is great, but I’m also interested in my art exploring how we coexist and interconnect and all that stuff So those are two things that that that drive me in terms of What I want to say Is for the writing process? You know Everything I do has to be it needs to be coming from a very personal place The one I’m about to do. I read a few news articles about people who were getting deported and just really I just Every time I read a story like that I would start crying like crazy because It’s really sad and it’s like some of these people have to leave their families behind And you know me being like a new dad and having a one and a half year old like I couldn’t even imagine that And also like just for somebody like that to be abandoned by the parents and given up for adoption and then a lot of these people go through the foster care system because even their adopted parents sometimes don’t want them and then you know fast forward like two decades finding out that the us the Place you could call home Doesn’t want you and is kicking you out. I think that’s a very it’s like it’s like getting Pretty much kicked in the ass. Yeah your whole life. Yeah, it’s pretty my heart goes out to them. So like you know giving a platform to a community that doesn’t have a voice I think is a worthwhile endeavor So, you know that those are some reasons why I make the art that I do and and and you know, I want to be like sort of the counter-programming we have like the Justin Lin’s and the James wands and and You know John choose and and they’re doing amazing working. They’re really great in that studio of like big-time studio system I think I’m really great at drama and you know and I in comedy and stuff but like Much more intimate in real kind of stories So I’m like the counter-programming to that and I think I I just make a nice balance I think it’s really interesting that you um, I mean a lot of people say that right a lot of artists will say I’m all about like The art and not anything else not like the fame not I just want to make art. Yeah but you were presented with some huge opportunities to work with like Hundred like really really finance films like big studios You you were I mean you were offered basically you could have went that route Yeah, you could have went the route of B being the next director of a Marvel film or something But instead you chose, I mean that doesn’t appeal to you Well money doesn’t drive me that’s the biggest thing is is uh I’ve seen what Money like in Fame and all that. I’ve seen people have it Right, and we all know that that doesn’t make you happy I mean, it’s not it can’t you can be happy with money and fame if You’re sort of internal compasses, right? But if it’s just that’s the only thing you’re looking for, you’re gonna find yourself very very empty. So money doesn’t drive me It’s I think money is a great sort of indicator. If you’re doing great work. There’s a money I think follows Talent, right? So I don’t focus on that. I don’t focus on the biggest opportunity or the biggest career move I fee I focus on what feels right to me and and artistically and and spiritually and you know, um What makes sense for my family? I think if you do one of those huge movies, you won’t see your family for like three years You’re like constantly working and and you’re having to answer someone that’s the other thing that I really really value is autonomy Like I really value being the master of my own life Mm-hmm and not having to answer to like people telling me what I have to do or how I need to do it so with art so I value that so like, you know those kind of opportunities I’m very flattered. But as of right now, I think there’s a there’s a lot of work to be done that I feel is important That I need to do first. I’m not saying I’ll never do it. You know like yeah be really fun to do like a big Million. Yeah, a hundred million dollar movie But you know my my babies like really young and I don’t miss out babies like really my babies like little a baby, hahaha My baby’s a baby and I never get that time back with her. Yeah, so, you know, I work from home like I do like my editor Reynolds who’s also from Hawaii Reynolds Barney and uh His name is actual Reynolds, Barney Roasting here. I know I love him though, but like he’s over at my house. We’re editing in. Uh, in my office and like I do that purpose and I and I Stay home as much as I can to be with my baby But if I was doing studio film, I really doubt they’re gonna let me edit from my home And of course, yeah, so they’re gonna make me edit from the Edit Bay they’re gonna come in and out to look at the progress and everything and but uh, you know, I do that so I can Astronaut like for now, at least you know when? when my kid doesn’t want me around then maybe yeah, that’s maybe when I’ll go do like a bigger film and just bounce and and do that whole thing, but right now I think like There are some stories that I think Can change people’s opinion, you know in a different way? And I tell stories about people who aren’t the point zero one percent, you know like my stories aren’t really like fantastical they’re like a Realistic look at our lives, you know, like it’s a lot of my films are about the working-class You know, they’re not about like super rich people they’re they’re just about like normal people like us, you know, and and I also think that’s valuable. Yeah well with that being said, we’ll come back and we’ll talk about Another film that we had in mind. Yeah Yeah, but before we get there, we have to take a quick shishi break and we are out And we’re back and we’re back back gtfo Gtfo, that’s um, so what were we talking about our new upcoming? Yes Oh you were talking about how you like do more real things. Mm-hmm and never me and Justin caught with ideas because it’s usually Stemming from me It’s really dumb like really we have really dumb eyes, but I like that too. Yeah, it’s a it’s it’s a nice break, right? Yeah, you’ve got to have your meal, but you also have to have your dessert Yeah, I think that’s something that I really like about you is that you don’t try to like, you know get Stuck in like one cubicle like you have a lot of different facets to in one cube. Yeah Yeah, you have many different phases to your keep allotted little cubes. Yeah, you’re really You’re cute cube. He? Yep But know that I think that’s what’s really cool about you is that you know there’s so many different sides to you that there are some people who are gonna be like I don’t think Justin’s are dumbass. Like he’s really serious. You know, I Really like dose types of people thanks.thanks. Yeah, I don’t like you but it’s okay No, thanks. Yeah. I mean I think about I take it all back man No, yeah, thanks man, no III think like I Think man. I just I just want to live a full life. Mm-hmm, you know, and I think it’s Life is there’s too many things experience them to just be one thing, you know And I feel like that’s what you guys are doing like with this podcast and right You guys try not new stuff and like you could just be doing the same old but like yeah there’s too much cool stuff to do that to just be like the serious guy or the funny guy or That’s why I love when I see You know comedians do like dramas and stuff. Yeah. I love like when Jim Carrey did The Truman Show or Eternal Sunshine? You know and I also like when when Really serious guys that do like stupid comedies like when Matt Damon did that one film with Greg Kinnear? I think it’s stuck on you where they play Siamese Like stuff like that, you know, I love when they do stuff like that, but I think that um, I Think there’s so many ways. We can like express ourselves. Why limited to just yeah the same old boring bullshit So let’s talk about how you you guys are gonna explore yourself in this new dumb idea that you have this dumb idea Um, I mean, it’s been a long time like still saying we’re gonna do it, but we just never do it But we are trying to write a BG a movie For people who I don’t know if you don’t know what that is. It’s just our fake kpop band that we had Started off as one video a joke and It just ended like really well it did a huge international reach Yeah, it it I remember the first one because it’s literally singing dongs idea. Which means I have to take a shit, right? Yeah. Yeah I died Initially is just me and David right? We just I recorded it’s just my voice really and then We’re like, okay. Well, we need a band and I was like, okay What Asians do I know that can be a part is obviously Justin’s one right? Because I know he can sing too If we I mean, we didn’t you didn’t really need to sing but and then I got feel because I know he likes to dance And then Jun I kind of just met but I knew he was into kpop. Yeah, it was just super helpful to have him He’s like the identity of kpop. Yes, he’s literate like beep that’s his life. He literally is doing still like on his by himself He’s doing like carried on with BJ by himself. He’s literally like The last video was about him leaving the group and start doing it because he’s the star yeah and and he’s it’s happening. Yeah It’s real life, you know, actually I’ve gone to some general meetings with like some studio people Yeah, and they bring it up they break up beat you here. Yeah, they go like so hey, what is this dude? Yeah, some like a few particular. We’re like, hey, so Thomas it’s like what is this BGA thing and I starts are laughing why did you watch that because these are like old white men, you know, and I’m like Wow, why though it cuz they do they have kids is that I don’t know. Oh, I didn’t ask I was just typing justin chon. Yeah, but then they love it They’re just like no, it’s like so fun and they love it. But um but I think we also like that’s That’s something that you did was sort of like with the whole YouTube You bridge use help bridge the gap because it started off such a little thing and you You and some other people like really blew it up into something. That’s like more now. It’s mainstream like YouTube is not like it’s not a Niche thing it’s more actually more big than we were talking about that like TV shows or whatever it is So the point of where networks are adapting to like kind of the YouTube Formula ya know it’s all about streaming and videos on demand. Yeah, so I feel like it’s just as legitimate You know, I remember I will actually be on Twilight explaining to them I was like, yeah, I’m doing this YouTube thing and they’re like, why would you do that? Why would you waste your time? Yeah, and I was like no no, no, you don’t understand like this can be You know reach a lot of people and it’s it’s the new thing that’s that I feel it’s gonna be huge and and I end You know Watching how you guys were operating I don’t think they were seeing that yet and everybody was catching up but now it’s it’s it’s legitimate more legitimate than anything, you know, but um I don’t mind. I don’t mind doing some VGA shit. Yeah yeah, well we were working on another so we have another song that still needs to be we wrote it out David and I and And it needs to be recorded still I do you guys have auditions. Um Rappers like you need a Filipino rapper and it would have to fit this storyline. Oh, you don’t need anybody Who was it that keeps asking me like there’s it was funny cuz like like I said It was so casual the way I was like HS and you want to do this like kpop video Yeah, it wasn’t gonna be a big deal similar like filling them I was just like but then like people like man why like Why don’t you pick me like other like Asian friends? I have yeah, like jealous it like like even like Wes I think wanted to do it at some point I don’t know if you actually want to he sit like here’s just like why did you ya ask me? Yeah, or like anyways would’ve been good. Yeah. He looks very like he has that look too Yeah, you know where sis like slick undercover sort of like sexy Yeah, you know like I could see how like mysterious yet mysterious west from waffle production. Yeah Yeah, what he’s the one that the girls like right from wrong He’s like the mysterious quiet one, but like he has style and like and you’re kind of like Oh style But he also seems like a guy that would take care of his girlfriend. Yeah, really nice, dude yeah, I like but that is also like Has like them brooding like like male sort of like energy, but then also sensitive Yeah, and then we have Phil Shotsfired combo Well, I mean speaking if there’s any BGA fans watching They’re gonna be shocked cuz I mean if they only know you from BGA, yeah like you said They probably think you’re an idiot and I’m sure they probably think you’re an asset like you hate like you really do hate Jun Yeah, and we’ve got to keep that going my god. You really does hate you fuck June Yeah that down but that in the calculation one of the Twitter questions is from tuned Do you remember me? Tell him tell him he should go watch a picture telling him right now. Oh, hey June, you should watch Pixar’s Coco. I Don’t remember you Who are like? What is what’s his name username? June curry on so June like why the fuck do you have curry in your name? Like what is that about? I don’t know why he wants to be like Korean. That’s why Oh Curry on Fuck Beach is a real thing guys. We’re not playing characters. It’s written so that they’re all very exaggerated versions of ourselves David David’s question to you is are you secretly in love with June curry on a man? Sexuality it should be fluid. So I I’m not I wouldn’t be ashamed of Robin This is going You know That space between the ball. That’s why you want to pull his hair But I know I think I come from a place he comes from uh straight. Yeah, I think I sexual frustration Yeah Funny the hall that natural like that relation like the first script you weren’t really I’m trying to remember how it started you weren’t. We weren’t mean – you weren’t mean to June Yeah, I think it’s a sieve all just happened like on Sarah. Yeah, like it just became an ongoing You know what? I think it was so I think it’s because he was like the The slave driver we had to learn that stupid dance the first the first video and I we like actually had to rehearse. Yeah Yeah, and I’m like, I’m like learning from this this guy I don’t even know like I met him through VGA and I’m like, why are you telling me what to do man? And I think that it’s like that secret frustration evolved from that. Mmm-hmm. And that was like oh, but he’s kind of cute But why tell me what to do I? Felt bad for June a lot because we are all so bad And like not really taking the dance part seriously And he was so serious about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I mean I told him from the start like um cuz he choreographed the first one and then he had a friend helping us with the second one and I was like I saw the second I was like dude. This is too hard, man Like but I gotta say the dancing and the first one’s way better. Mm-hmm. It was actually easier Yeah, it was easier. But look, did you notice how much we cut out of the dancing on? Yeah. Yeah, but the dance our dancing was better in the first one. Mm-hmm. Yeah Second one was barely even dancing boobies were so lazy were like nah Man is they just cut a lot and a lot of it was just us like messing around like your that shot That was all like yeah. That was the other thing Jun directed the second one Yeah, and he was really he was really making me frustrated Also his directing style man because he just takes too long with everything. I’m like hurry Part of the story lines like June comes back. He’s like, I’ve heard your podcast Like I’ve heard your I heard the punk and you know, I super deep dude, right? My name is June curry on And I have her I mean, I I don’t actually I don’t want your video to get D monetize. I was I’m gonna stop Yes too late But no, no no, but you know, he’s very talented yes very talented He you know, he did a great job with that music. It looked really great And he’s a he’s a good dancer is a good is amazing violinist. Yeah His his his skills on the strings is like uncanny just a really amazing on that violin but that you know, you know, I violin the bow is made of horse horse tail really so he’s really good like he’s connected to animals and Yeah and connected to the earth. Yeah. So, uh, he’s really good with the wood in his neck Yeah, we gotta get Jun on the podcast, but then bring Justin back and not and not tell June Yeah, Justin will just be there. Yeah Do this no no No, you know You know what needs to happen is you need to set him up Like make him to get real comfortable and then start having them kind of like talk a little bit of shit yeah, and then I should be like I show up in the door with like headphones on and be like I’ve been listening to you I don’t think is so nice. I don’t think he would hit talk to you even if like you’d be like, oh, yeah Yeah, Justin sometimes said some things to me Yeah, I think I don’t think Jun would would do that yeah Yeah, it’s funny how that just it just became a thing it became it became a thing and it’s people’s favourite relationship It’s either you love the the love-hate relationship between you and Jun or you just love David for being David Yeah, David’s funny too in it Yeah, we we hope to continue it on in a in movie form at some point But what I want to talk about right now is Paco stand-up career know Yeah, I want to get I want to talk I want to talk about Paco’s stand-up comedy career We for the viewers at home Paco and Ryan were in LA further apart there. They’re doing the podcast in LA and the plans Yeah, and we went out for some drinks and then we came back and we forced Paco to do a stand-up Stand-up act for us and we all like critiqued him Let’s preface this like Paco Never let me I would say like, yeah Oh, he’s like I’m gonna do an open mic and like he would never tell me where it was. Yeah I was like dude you need Critics that like you need people to tell you like when it’s not good and also for sure, yeah also We need to preface that we know nothing about stand-up comedy or we are Like our opinions are valid in any way. We just wanted to like give honest feedback of how like, it’s just normal people yeah, like if we like it or not, that’s all like And another thing that I would put in is that you guys come from a standpoint of like storytelling No, like you guys do really well at storytelling. So in that aspect because my jokes aren’t just like oh these are one-liners, you know Where it does come from a place of oh, there’s some reality to this So that’s why I was like, you know, I do feel comfortable but also because I really do look up to you Yeah, but we were just we just wanted to we just wanted to get a little taste Yeah of the Paco Jim and after I did my set they destroyed me for like a good 30 minutes But I that’s why I respect you more now because you you really took in stride you didn’t let it like, you know be personal and and You know that’s hard to do like it’s hard to take criticism You know we were too but we’re just speaking from like a non professional stamp or just how we took it. Yeah. Yeah, but uh But uh, you know, I think that right now Paco should do it Well, I mean, I think I think how this could be relative to a lot of people is that yeah I mean, I think people need to loop if you’re gonna try and do something you have to like commit to it and then Be open to the criticism. I think yeah, I think it’s really tough to do No, but there’s a reason why and you understand why I didn’t want you guys Like I’m okay with performing at open mics and like bars coffee shop Some people I have no idea who they are, you know because that like in the end when I do Stand-up comedy. It’s gonna be for people like that starting off It’s gonna be for people who have no idea or Who I am with you guys It’s a lot more personal Because of the relationship that we have like the audience is seen Justin will shit on me all day And I’m cool with it and it’s fun And then Ryan will do that too, and I’m cool with it, too but when it comes like oh, this is something that you know, I’m trying to work on this graph and stand up enough and then to have like to think Oh, are they just gonna shit on that too? You know? Yeah. Yeah, I see what you mean. I see um So that’s why I was very much So like Auto III Would only want to invite you and only have you there when I get to a point like I’m comfortable I work on this Hundreds of times, you know, I made this set good enough for I’m confident that I can get you to laugh. Yeah. Yeah Well, you feel proud. Yeah Yeah, but in the meantime tonight, I think you have to you know, when people come over to Ryan’s house I think you know just the people know people are coming over to my house I think You know, I would say I respect that that you took criticism very well Yeah, and I think that’s that’s important for a lot of people. It’s it’s tough man in any zone Especially if it’s your job Yeah You know if you just work and something you take pride in something you love and someone comes and criticizes you I mean it comes From a place of us trying to help right? Yeah. Yeah, but even then that’s tough man, but that’s a path to progress That’s a path to mastery ax is you have to you know be open to not being awesome, you know and at least I can speak for myself is like I know like I’m like a novice and just starting out as a director and writer all that stuff and I need to I need to always be open and Get wrekt all the time the more times I get wrecked the better I’ll get because if I learn from it What’s some negative criticism you’ve got in for like gook like gook specifically, you know, someone review said like, you know it was kind of messy and But if you but they also talked about like, you know, you could tell there was a raw artists passion behind it That that it kind of makes up for it, but but I have to admit yeah, there’s parts that are pretty rough and the way I shot it was super low budget and and Scrappy, so like I don’t have time or or you know the resources to make it super polished but I look at it now and and Taking that sort of note from the reviews and and you know, I generally don’t read the reviews. It’s more like you know asked like peers, you know, when especially when I’m When I’m editing and I’m getting to stage where it’s getting kind of close to locking the the film So I could send it off to like sound and color and all that stuff I’ll have we’ll work on it and then at night I’ll always have at least one screening and I’ll I now invite the the scariest people that I that I admire or whatever and I’ll have them watching and give me notes and sometimes it’s really I’m like, you know and and a Lot of times are right and and always it always it’s always a note behind the note So they might say like this section just doesn’t it’s kind of just like bad. It sucks And then it’s like I have to really go back and then be like, okay instead of being like fuck you You don’t know what you’re talking about just really think about it and get the note behind the note and maybe it’s he’s saying it just felt slow or or maybe the editing wasn’t crisp enough and it wasn’t engaging enough and or like maybe he’s saying it was bad because He wasn’t clear on the the the protagonist sort of how they were feeling in the moment And that’s something I have to decipher afterward but like for me to be like he doesn’t know what he thought like that part’s not bad like it’s sometimes people their notes aren’t You know because they’re talking in the moment, they haven’t had time to process for a long time what they’re saying so That’s like an example, you know and that has you know when I’m in the editing phase I’m constantly and then you know And then sometimes like you also but here’s the other thing Paco is like sometimes you also have to stick to your guns Sometimes you go. No, that’s just my style or that’s how I express myself You have to know when? something is you know, very Sort of integral to who you are and in some stuff that’s just more of a practical technical thing that you need to improve upon You know So like people were ragging on sort of some of my music choices in that saying it was to all over the place but I like that because I’m not one thing and they’re like, well, there’s too many tonal shifts in my films and I’m like Frankly, I don’t give a fuck about that Specific thing that they’re talking about and that’s something that I I want to hold on to but yeah, I don’t know what kind of wrapping it up cuz time is uh But I just wanted to throw in one more Twitter question because you are actually the first Father guest. Oh, yeah, we haven’t had any guests that has ever thought about even had kids except for your mom Yes, yeah but so Because you are kind of seen it again as a crazy person, you know, you’re doing so many things. Um, how is it has having a kid like Changed your view on a lot of things or even life. Yeah. It has that’s the the simple answer but um, I Think having a kid can go two ways. You can just live your life and kind of be irresponsible or If forces you be really, you know, we’re talking my self-aware and introspective it forces you to Examine who you are as a human because now you have this child that’s coming to the world and and you have to you know you have to determine who you’re gonna be and Who? the person that they’re gonna call dad and So it’s made me have to take a second. Look at the type of art that I’m making right So if you notice the art that I’m making is I mean speaking of which like, how are you gonna explain to her BG? Hey, yeah, but you know, that’s you know, it’s it’s fun though, you know, yeah, it’s fun, but like in terms of you know Feature films they all have a purpose and and I can stand confidently And it would on two feet in front of her and say yeah, I did that for this reason I was trying to give these people a voice and Then sometimes it’s okay to be like I really truly believe that sometimes the answer can be like we needed money Mm-hmm. We everybody needs money to survive. So I needed to take that job because we our family needed the money but um it really but at the same time I’ve become kinder I’ve Become more compassionate. I become more sympathetic and empathetic Towards people. I’m not quick to judge. I try not to be I try not to be as judgmental because all that sort of and also I try not to speak really Negatively about other people like it’s all changed when you had a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Well, it’s not overnight but CLE is is true. Then that does change you once you have a kid Yeah, but it’s your own personal decision if you want to change or not, um, but you know, I don’t want to bring em. Hmm You know, I think you’ve seen me change over the years. Yeah, we’re talking last night and I think before I was a much more aggressive and you know, I look at myself now and I think I I’m not as aggressive in the sense that I somebody’s like I’m not used before I’d be like, oh, yeah screw that guy, you know if that guy hey Doug I don’t do that as much because I don’t want to bring that energy home And I think that’s what the baby does and in terms of work Some people go in the direction of like I need to make more money to Give my kid what they need and then there’s the other option which is like no no all that stuff doesn’t matter I think what’s more important is helping molding her to be? Somebody that you think will be a great member of society What’s more important is well? Yeah, you can either try and make more money, too to try to give your kids what you think they need and then but that my philosophy is to spend more time with them and try to You know give them a strong foundation. You can’t make your kid become anything. They’re gonna be who they’re gonna be and I only my job is to kind of give them the tools or what I think is is productive and constructive For them to go out in the world and it’s on them, but but I think that’s what having a kid does It really makes you think about Even who you are And you be just become you have to become more selfless Because a kid they can’t care for themselves you have to care for them. So in that way, I think I’ve become It’s less I become less egotistical, you know, I think being a creative and an actor is that one of the most narcissistic Endeavors the one can take on because you’re just thinking constantly about yourself and how you come across and and having a kid really takes you outside of that and it’s less about like your own sort of hang-ups and ego Which I think is a beautiful thing. So you guys should have kids Yeah, so I guess when I go pick one up or we can do one together Okay, well I mean that’s that’s a good way to end off of us so Paco and I are gonna go get kids yeah Again, just to wrap up Justin your film is purple comes out when September 6 at the Newark in Santa Monica It’ll expand to other theaters in Los Angeles and in California San Francisco Irvine and and then but then the next weekend after September 6 the following weekend was at the September 12th it’ll be in New York it to landmark theaters in the city and and It’ll expand out to most major cities after that miss purple is purple Guk is still on Netflix Netflix but uh, you know, Netflix is pretty messed up They do something. I’m not gonna go there They do something that’s called a pan and scan. We shot that film anamorphic which is like Yeah, what they do is a pan scan They just they pan and scan it and they scan it and they cut off the ends and they really and they decide When to pan so like for example, there’s that shot with the two brothers arguing and she’s in the middle it’s cut off at the ends and They decide when to pan to each so I didn’t know that watch it on watch it on Netflix But if you want to see the true aspect ratio buy it on iTunes Yeah support home support or pirate it whatever yes, that’s Yeah That thank you again Justin for being here You can follow us at off the pill podcast on instagram at off the pill on twitter Leave us your questions and stuff like that there Where else can they find you though? My instant I usually mostly use Instagram, but you barely use it. Yeah, follow me on Instagram. Yeah But no no, I I use it in between projects But what I’m really focused on like filming I know because I didn’t concentrate but you could just follow with me at justin chon on instagram and and You know if you want to slide into my DMS now take I’ll take a look You’re probably because they follow you on Instagram. It’ll be a good way to get a reminder like oh this is coming out Yeah, yeah Yeah, and I do I do like post stuff about the process, you know Like I’ll post stuff when I’m in in the Edit or on set. So if you’re interested in filmmaking at all, like Yeah, that’s a good follow. Yeah behind the scenes stuff. Also if you want to see cute pictures of my kid Yeah, Papa babies of a babies All right. Well how we normally end it we just breathe into the mic and three two one