>>>IF YOU’RE A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN — IF I WERE A LIBERAL — LIKE, OKAY, THAT’S WHY I ALWAYS START WENT TO WHARTON, WAS A GOOD STUDENT, WENT THERE, WENT THERE, DID THIS, I HAVE TO GIVE MY CREDENTIALS ALL THE TIME BECAUSE WE’RE AT A LITTLE DISADVANTAGE BUT YOU LOOK AT THE NUCLEAR — WE HAD OUR BEAUTIFUL MARINES STANDING THERE BING, BING, BING, BING, WE GOT THEM BACK.>>BING, BING, BONG, BONG, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS, RIGHT? BING, BING. I LOVE IT.>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. REMEMBER IN 2015 AND 2016 WHEN WE USED TO BE SHOCKED, AMAZED EVEN BY INCOHERENT ME YANTDERRING, ALMOST INCOMPREHENSIBLE SPEECHES BY THEN CANDIDATE DONALD TRUMP. WELL, IT’S NOW 2017 AND GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT SENTENCES AND HARD-TO-FOLLOW MONOLOGUES ARE A DAILY NATIONAL OCCURRENCE BUT WITH TRUMP GIVING AN INTERVIEW WITH THE PAPER HE LOVES TO HATE, THE “NEW YORK TIMES,” WE GOT BOMBSHELLS THE, PRESIDENT SYSTEM WILLING HIS OWN ATTORNEY GENERAL, THREATENING A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR AND DISMISSING HIS DINNER CHAT WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AND WE ALSO GOT MORE EXAMPLES OF HIS BIZARRE WORD USAGE, LIKE THIS COMMENT ON HEALTH CARE. “WE HAVE SOME MEETINGS SCHEDULED TODAY, I THINK WE HAVE SIX PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY SORT OF OKAY, THEY’RE ALL GOOD PEOPLE. WE DON’T HAVE BAD PEOPLE, I KNOW THE BAD PEOPLE, BELIEVE ME, DO I KNOW BAD PEOPLE.” . AND WITH ME NOW ARE TWO GUESTS I HOPE WILL HELP ME TRANSLATE DONALD TRUMP FOR OUR VIEWERS, ACTOR, AWARD WINNING FABULOUS ACTOR RON PEARLMAN, AUTHOR OF THE MEMOIR “EASY STREET THE HARD WAY” AND COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY LINGUISTICS PROFESSOR JOHN McWHARTER, AUTHOR OF “WORDS ON THE MOVE.” MAYBE IT’S ELITISM AND I’LL START WITH YOU, JOHN, TO BE WEIRDED OUT BY THE WAY DONALD TRUMP SPEAKS BUT IT STRIKES ME WHEN I TRY TO READ WHAT HE’S SAYING, IT’S VERY HARD TO UNDERSTAND IT IN PRINT.>>THE WAY HE TALKS IS VERY ORAL, IT’S NOT DESIGNED TO BE READ AND NOT SOMETHING ANYBODY WOULD WRITE. THE TRUTH IS AS DISGUSTED BY HIM AS I AM, THE TRUTH IS A LOT OF US SOUND MORE LIKE HIM THAN WE WOULD THINK, EVEN ON TV SHOWS LIKE THIS. CONTEXT MEANS A LOT. HE’S NOT A CAREFUL SPEAKER, HE’S JUST AN ORDINARY BARSTOOL SPEAKER.>>AS AN ACTOR, RON, YOU’RE CALLED UPON TO STEP OUTSIDE OF WHO YOU ARE AND BECOME SOMEONE ELSE. HAVE YOU EVER ENCOUNTERED A CHARACTER LIKE DONALD TRUMP? . THIS IS HIM TALKING IN A “NEW YORK TIMES” INTERVIEW. MAYBE I’LL HAVE YOU READ IT. I THIRD HAVE YOU READ THIS. NUMBER THREE, WE’LL LET YOU TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR WORD STYLINGS IF YOU HAVE YOUR GLASSES ON.>>I DO NOT HAVE ANY GLASSES.>>”I’VE HAD THE BEST REVIEWS ON FOREIGN LAND, SO I GO TO POLAND AND MAKE A SPEECH, ENEMIES OF MINE IN THE MEDIA, ENEMIES OF MADE ARE SAYING IT WAS THE GREATEST SPEECH EVER MADE BY A FOREIGN PRESIDENT, I’M SAYING MAN, THEY COVER, YOU SAW THE REVIEWS I GOT ON THAT SPEECH, POLAND WAS BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL, THE RECEPTION WAS INCREDIBLE.” HE DOESN’T SOUND LIKE A PRESIDENT, HE SOUNDS LIKE A TOURIST.>>I JUST WISH MORE OF IT WAS GARBLED. THERE’S ZERO COHERENCE TO ANY OF IT.>>BUT IS HE AN EVERY MAN OR IS AN ELITE MAN? THIS GUY, HE BRAGS HE WENT TO THE BEST SCHOOLS, HE WENT TO ELITE SCHOOLS, HE WENT TO A PRIVATE MILITARY SCHOOL. IF YOU WERE PLAYING DONALD TRUMP WOULD YOU BE PLAYING AN ELITE MAN OR AN EVERY MAN.>>OKAY, SO I DON’T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS BUT I HAD THIS TRIP TO FRANCE, I WAS JUST THERE WITH THE HEAD GUY, WHAT’S HIS NAME?>>EMMANUEL MACRON?>>ALFONSO MMACK RON. HE NARROWLY BEAT LE PEN. I THINK SHE WON. I THINK SHE WON. I THINK SHE WON. BUT I MEAN, LOOK, IT’S — WHO KNOWS? ANYWAY, MACRON, GREAT GUY, GREAT GUY, NEVER KNEW HE WAS FRENCH, VERY HOT WIFE. VERY HOT WIFE. WE’RE TALKING, WE’RE TALKING AND, YOU KNOW, I — ALL MY PROPERTIES I HAVE THIS DESSERT, IT’S CALLED THE ECLAIR, IT’S CALLED THE ECLAIR, IT’S PHENOMENAL, IT HAS EVERYTHING, IT’S LIKE LONG, IT’S A LITTLE — YOU KNOW, THE SHAPE OF IT IS VERY, VERY — YOU KNOW WHAT I’M SAYING. AND SO — AND IT HAS THIS CHOCOLATE ON THE TOP AND IT HAS SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, I DON’T KNOW WHAT IT IS — JOY, I DON’T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS. BUT ANYWAY, I’M TALKING WITH MY NEW FRIEND ALFONSO MACK RON AND ALFONSO SAYS TO ME, THE ECLAIR. [ LAUGHTER ] THE ECLAIR. AND I DIDN’T REALIZE THIS BUT WE HAVE NAPOLEON TO THANK FOR THE ECLAIR. THAT’S — THE ECLAIR IS NAMED AFTER NAPOLEON. [ LAUGHTER ]>>I THINK YOU’RE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES .>>I AM RUNNING IN 2020.>>YOU SHOULD. THAT IS OBVIOUSLY VERY ENTICING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. A QUINNIPIAC POLL, IS TRUMP LEVEL HEADED? 65% SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT. IS TRUMP HONEST? NO, MAN. 59% SAY HE IS NOT HONEST. IS TRUMP INTELLIGENT? YUP, 57% SAY HE SEEMS INTELLIGENT TO ME.>>WELL, HE WOULD BE A VERY INTELLIGENT VILLAGER SOMEWHERE LIVING WITH ABOUT 200 PEOPLE 20,000 YEARS ARGUE WHERE EVERYTHING IS ALL ABOUT HIM AND SUBJECTIVE IMPRESSIONS BECAUSE THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS WRITING OR HISTORY OR SCIENCE YET SO NAPOLEON DESIGNED THE STREETS OF PARIS RATHER THAN IT BEING HIS NEPHEW AND MAYBE IT WAS THIS AND MAYBE IT WAS THAT. MAYBE WATERGATE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH BREAKING INTO THE DNC BUT IT’S ALL JUST HEARSAY. ALL OF THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE IF YOU LIVE IN A VILLAGE SITTING IN SHORT PANTS ABOUT 20,000 YEARS AGO BEFORE THERE WAS SUCH A THING AS WRITING AND PRINT AND SCIENCE AND ESTABLISHING THINGS IN BLACK-AND-WHITE. HE’S A — HE MIGHT BE QUITE INTELLIGENCE BUT HE WOULD HAVE TO BE A HIGHLY INTELLIGENT PRE-NEO-LITHIC VILLAGER, HE’S TRAGICALLY UNADORNED?>>WHO, BY THE WAY, THERE WAS AN ACTUAL GUY, I DON’T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, I JUST LEARNED THIS, JOY, DID YOU KNOW THIS? 20,000 YEARS AGO THERE WAS A GUY NAMED BERMUDA — [ LAUGHTER ] — HE WAS WEARING SHORTS. YOU SEE WHERE I’M GOING WITH THIS?>>I THINK I DO!>>THE ODD THING ABOUT IT IS, WE LAUGH ABOUT IT AND I GUESS IT IS KIND OF AN ELITIST THING. I GET MAD WHEN PEOPLE SAY “FOLLOWING GUESTS.” I DO HATE IT. IT’S NEXT GUESTS. THOSE THINGS DRIVE WE CRAZY BUT IN AMERICA IT’S SEEMED EXTREMELY ELITIST TO CARE ABOUT THAT. DONALD TRUMP SPEAKING THE WAY HE DOES AND BEING VERY ORDINARY IN THE WAY HE IS IS PART OF THE REASON A LOT OF PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY CONSERVATIVES, LIKE HIM.>>IT HELPS GET HIM ELECTED. IT MAKES HIM SEEM AUTHENTIC. AS FAR AS I’M CONCERNED, CASUAL SPEECH IS FUN TO LISTEN TO. LISTENING TO SOMEBODY WHO TALKS LIKE TRUMP, ISN’T IT WALL STREET IN THOSE HOLES AND NONS.E.C. WE YOU ARE THES YOU KNOW WHAT A BURN MEANS. BUT HE’S PRESIDENT. HE’S SAYING IMPORTANT THINGS. HE’S SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING SENSE. YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO WEAR A SUIT. HE DOESN’T WEAR HIS LINGUISTIC SUIT OR USE HIS LINGUISTIC DEODORANT.>>THIS IS ANOTHER CLIP THAT’S REALLY INTERESTING SOUNDING THAN THE “NEW YORK TIMES” INTERVIEW. THIS IS “TIME” MAGAZINE, DONALD TRUMP SAYING HE’S A VERY STABLE PERSON. HE SAID “I’M A VERY STABLE PERSON. I’M SO STABLE YOU WOULDN’T BELIEVE IT. WE NEED A STRONG TONE AND A COMPASSIONATE TONE, PLUS WHAT ICE UP HERE, HE SAID POINTING TO HIS TEMPLE. TEMPERAMENT IS MY STRENGTH, I’M NOT A FAST TRICKER, I’M THE OPPOSITE OF A FAST TRIGGER BUT NOBODY IS GOING TO PUSH US AROUND.”>>THE OTHER THING IS HE MASHES IN — AS YOU BRILLIANTLY DID, RON — DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT DON’T HAVE TO DO WITH THE QUESTION. DID WE JUST GET TOO ACCUSTOMED TO PRESIDENTS WHO SPEAK FORMALLY AND WELL? NOT ONLY BARACK OBAMA BUT GO BACK, WHEN YOU LISTEN TO FDR SPEAK IT’S A FORMAL WAY OF SPEAKING, A VERY ERUDITE WAY OF SPEAKING. EVEN RONALD REAGAN, HIS PERFORMATIVE THE SORT OF PRESIDENCY WAS VERY OFFICIAL.>>EVEN G.W. TRIED.>>HI TRIED. HE TRIED AND BUMBLED.>>BUT HE WAS MAKING AN EFFORT.>>HE WAS TRYING. SO THE FORMAL PRESIDENCY. IS IT OVER?>>NO, IT’S JUST TEMPORARILY ON PAUSE AND I THANK GOD THERE THAT THERE’S A STANDARD THAT IS BEING — IS UNDER SIEGE. IT’S UNDER ASSAULT AND YOU KNOW, IT’S INEVIDENTBLE THAT THIS — HE HAS EXPOSED SOMETHING THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE IN TERMS OF THE COMPORTMENT OF — THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY DISTINGUISHED POSITION. THIS IS A POSITION THAT AFFECTS NOT JUST EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES BUT EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET AND WE ARE BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY SOMETHING WHO HAS NO CORE SOMEBODY WHO HAS NO CENTER, SOMEBODY WHO HAS — WHO JUST WILL SAY ANYTHING TO GENERATE A RESPONSE. THAT’S REVERSE ENGINEERING. THAT’S NOT WHAT A LEADER IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND THERE’S A REASON WHY WE’VE HAD 44 OTHERS AND NOW HIM WHICH DOESN’T RESEMBLE OF THE OTHER 44 AND THERE’S A REASON WHY HOPEFULLY IN MY LIFETIME AND MY CHILDREN’S LIFETIME WE’LL NEVER SEE ANYTHING LIKE THIS AGAIN.>>JOHN, WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT RICHARD NIXON IN THIS RECENT MOMENT AND I’M STRUCK WHEREVER I LISTEN TO RICHARD NIXON HOW EVEN HE SOUNDS LIKE A MAN ATTEMPTING TO SPEAK WITH HONOR AND HOLD HIMSELF UP IN AN HONORABLE WAY. THE WAY HE SPEAKS IS ALSO VERY FORMAL, LIKE A PRESIDENT, HE WAS A CLOTH COAT GUY AND I WONDER IF BECAUSE AS RON SAID IT’S ONE GUY OUT OF 312 MILLION PEOPLE, HE’S OUR ONE AVATAR WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT NEED TO HAVE THAT PERSON BE A BIT GRAND?>>IT’S INTERESTING, NIXON WAS SIMILAR TO TRUMP IN MANY WAYS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED BUT HE CAME BEFORE A CERTAIN TIME SO EVEN THOUGH HE HAD A RESENTMENT OF THE ELITES HE HAD A SENSE TO PRESENT HIMSELF, TO MAKE A CASE HE HAD TO AT LEAST TRY TO SPEAK WELL AND HE LEARNED TO DO IT. HE WAS A GOOD SPEECH MAKER OFF THE CUFF. HE COULD SPEAK QUITE FLUENTLY. THE MODERN NIXON DOESN’T FEEL THAT WAY BECAUSE WE BECAME SO MUCH MORE INFORMAL AFTER THE LATE ’60s. THAT WAS GOOD IN MANY WAYS BUT IT MEANS WE HAVE AN ELECTORATE WHO DON’T CARE ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE PRESIDENT CAN’T RUB A NOUN AND VERB TOGETHER. IT DOESN’T MATTER AND IN FACT IF HE WERE MORE SMOOTHLY ARTICULATE FOR MANY OF THEM IT WOULD MAKE HIM SEEM LESS PRESIDENTIAL, LESS APPROPRIATE AND THE FACT IS WHEN YOU POINT THIS THING OUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, YOU’RE OFTEN ACCUSED OF BEING SMUG, THINGS HAVE CHANGED. I DON’T KNOW IF THAT WILL CHANGE, THE ARTICULATE PRESIDENT IS NO LONGER NECESSARY.>>AND IT’S SAD BECAUSE EVEN GEORGE W. BUSH, THE SON OF A PRESIDENT, FELT THAT HE HAD TO PRETEND TO BE A RANCHER RATHER THAN A FORMAL –>>THAT WAS PART OF –>>YALE EDUCATED ELITE VERY WEALTHY MAN. HE CAME ACROSS IN HIS OWN MIND HE WANTED TO SEEM LIKE A GUY HAVING A HAMBURGER WITH YOU.>>AND YET HE HAD TO MAKE A SPEECH WHEN IT WAS TIME WRADS THIS PERSON FEELS NO NEED.>>NO NEED TO DO IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS WAS FUN. COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR AND DAILY BEAST CONTRIBUTOR JOHN McWHORTER AND RON PEARLMAN, GREAT ACTOR WHO YOU CAN CATCH IN THE PREMIER EPISODE OF “STARTUP” WHICH IS STREAMING STARTING SEPTEMBER 28 ON CRACKLE. DO NOT MISS IT, WE LOVE RON PEARLMAN.>>>COMING UP AT NOON, FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR SAMUEL BUELL JOINS MY PAL ALEX WITT, MY GIRL, TO TALK ABOUT PARDONS. SEE HOW INFORMAL WE ARE? AND IN OUR NEXT HOUR ON “A.M. JOY” WE TAKE YOU TO EARTH TWO AND WE FLIP THIS HOUSE. THAT’S ALL COMING BACK.